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	<title>Comments on: Muslims are cross - and it&#8217;s all our fault</title>
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		<title>By: Barry Duke</title>
		<link>http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/07/21/muslims-are-cross-and-its-all-our-fault/#comment-6734</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iftikar, the comments section of the Freethinker is open to people who have something interesting to say, or wish to respond sensibly to earlier observations. But the only thing you seem capable of doing is trotting out the same tedious claptrap about "Muslim schools for Muslim pupils". Every post of yours is a cut-and-paste job which never addresses the relevant issues. 

Has Islam completely destroyed your critical faculties, or are you simply too lazy to compose a response that goes deeper than "Fear and ignorance is the basis for prejudice and bigotry", which you stuck under another post on this site?

Finally, you complain that state schools "anglicise" their puplis. Of course they do. That's their JOB. This is England, after all, not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. If you want Muslim chidren taught by Muslim teachers, please feel free to send them to an ISLAMIC country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iftikar, the comments section of the Freethinker is open to people who have something interesting to say, or wish to respond sensibly to earlier observations. But the only thing you seem capable of doing is trotting out the same tedious claptrap about &#8220;Muslim schools for Muslim pupils&#8221;. Every post of yours is a cut-and-paste job which never addresses the relevant issues. </p>
<p>Has Islam completely destroyed your critical faculties, or are you simply too lazy to compose a response that goes deeper than &#8220;Fear and ignorance is the basis for prejudice and bigotry&#8221;, which you stuck under another post on this site?</p>
<p>Finally, you complain that state schools &#8220;anglicise&#8221; their puplis. Of course they do. That&#8217;s their JOB. This is England, after all, not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. If you want Muslim chidren taught by Muslim teachers, please feel free to send them to an ISLAMIC country.</p>
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		<title>By: Iftikhar Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/07/21/muslims-are-cross-and-its-all-our-fault/#comment-6732</link>
		<dc:creator>Iftikhar Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam

Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extemist because the state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers have robbed them of their cultural roots and their literature and poetry. They have been in a wrong place and a wrong time during their developmental periods. They have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British educational system.

They do not belong to British society because it is a home of institutional racism. They do not belong to the Muslim community because the state schools have destoyed their native languages by making them anglicised. They are not well versed in standard English, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. They do not know where they belong. They are unable to sit down with their parents and elders to have a fruitfull converstions and discussions on any of their social and emotional problems.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or teacher in a Muslim school. Even a native Muslim teacher is not a role model for  bilingual  Muslim children. The Muslim community has seen the  attitudes of a native Muslim teacher in a Muslim school. This is an eye opening for other Muslim schools who happily employ native speaking Muslim teachers. It is an educational issue. They are not role models for bilingual Muslim teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam</p>
<p>Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extemist because the state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers have robbed them of their cultural roots and their literature and poetry. They have been in a wrong place and a wrong time during their developmental periods. They have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British educational system.</p>
<p>They do not belong to British society because it is a home of institutional racism. They do not belong to the Muslim community because the state schools have destoyed their native languages by making them anglicised. They are not well versed in standard English, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. They do not know where they belong. They are unable to sit down with their parents and elders to have a fruitfull converstions and discussions on any of their social and emotional problems.</p>
<p>Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or teacher in a Muslim school. Even a native Muslim teacher is not a role model for  bilingual  Muslim children. The Muslim community has seen the  attitudes of a native Muslim teacher in a Muslim school. This is an eye opening for other Muslim schools who happily employ native speaking Muslim teachers. It is an educational issue. They are not role models for bilingual Muslim teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberrific</title>
		<link>http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/07/21/muslims-are-cross-and-its-all-our-fault/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberrific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Websites like this, and WonderCafe.ca in Canada will eventually change the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Websites like this, and WonderCafe.ca in Canada will eventually change the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/07/21/muslims-are-cross-and-its-all-our-fault/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I invite all freethinkers to listen to my new song "Religion" - which you can find as a free download on my site - and if you like it please feel free to pass it on. Other songs which are relevant are also on my site - cheers, Charles

www.soundclick.com/charlestyler

The lyrics are:

RELIGION 

The land is just the land
Like the sea is just the sea
No land is ever ‘promised’
No land is ever ‘holy’
These are just words people say
Just thoughts that lead them astray
These are just myths of history
Just ignorance and stupidity

Religion poisons everything
Religion is the original sin
The pedophile priest
The suicide bomber
The plane into the tower
The daughter killed for ‘honour’

And a child is just a child
Not a Muslim or a Jew
Not a Shiite or a Sunni
Not a Christian or a Hindu
These are just labels we sell
To those still innocent and free
When they are much too young to tell
Reality from fantasy

Religion is the great mistake
Religion is the trust we break
The poison in the playground
The suspicion of the other
The faith school and madrassa
Brother killing brother

And a book is just a book
Just words upon a page
There is no ‘holy scripture’
All writing is man-made
There is no afterlife to fear
No God to which we have to bow
The simple rule for living here
Is just kindness - in the here and now

Religion paralyses minds
Religion is the past that binds
The idiot evangelists
Disputing evolution
The crusade and the jihad
And the ‘final solution’

Religion poisons everything
Religion is the original sin

Charles Tyler © July 2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi - I invite all freethinkers to listen to my new song &#8220;Religion&#8221; - which you can find as a free download on my site - and if you like it please feel free to pass it on. Other songs which are relevant are also on my site - cheers, Charles</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soundclick.com/charlestyler" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundclick.com/charlestyler</a></p>
<p>The lyrics are:</p>
<p>RELIGION </p>
<p>The land is just the land<br />
Like the sea is just the sea<br />
No land is ever ‘promised’<br />
No land is ever ‘holy’<br />
These are just words people say<br />
Just thoughts that lead them astray<br />
These are just myths of history<br />
Just ignorance and stupidity</p>
<p>Religion poisons everything<br />
Religion is the original sin<br />
The pedophile priest<br />
The suicide bomber<br />
The plane into the tower<br />
The daughter killed for ‘honour’</p>
<p>And a child is just a child<br />
Not a Muslim or a Jew<br />
Not a Shiite or a Sunni<br />
Not a Christian or a Hindu<br />
These are just labels we sell<br />
To those still innocent and free<br />
When they are much too young to tell<br />
Reality from fantasy</p>
<p>Religion is the great mistake<br />
Religion is the trust we break<br />
The poison in the playground<br />
The suspicion of the other<br />
The faith school and madrassa<br />
Brother killing brother</p>
<p>And a book is just a book<br />
Just words upon a page<br />
There is no ‘holy scripture’<br />
All writing is man-made<br />
There is no afterlife to fear<br />
No God to which we have to bow<br />
The simple rule for living here<br />
Is just kindness - in the here and now</p>
<p>Religion paralyses minds<br />
Religion is the past that binds<br />
The idiot evangelists<br />
Disputing evolution<br />
The crusade and the jihad<br />
And the ‘final solution’</p>
<p>Religion poisons everything<br />
Religion is the original sin</p>
<p>Charles Tyler © July 2007</p>
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		<title>By: The Silent Majority</title>
		<link>http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/07/21/muslims-are-cross-and-its-all-our-fault/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>The Silent Majority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly they would all be alot happier and less angry if they weren't in that nasty country called England. So therefore the best form of 'appeasement" would be to deport them all, right now. Solve their problems...solve everyones problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly they would all be alot happier and less angry if they weren&#8217;t in that nasty country called England. So therefore the best form of &#8216;appeasement&#8221; would be to deport them all, right now. Solve their problems&#8230;solve everyones problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Android</title>
		<link>http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2007/07/21/muslims-are-cross-and-its-all-our-fault/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Android</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How else could it be, Barry? I mean, of &lt;i&gt;course&lt;/i&gt; we are to blame. Our culture is all wrong, and we should change it, bring in sharia law, make wearing veils mandatory (even for the women), burn gays, smack a few women around (they're second-class trash, after all, women, aren't they?), forbid depictions of historical figures (and, of course, rage, rage, rage every time one appears, threatening to behead the perpetrator). Oh, there are oodles of things we could do to bring our culture right into the seventh century. On the other hand, we could just tell those who don't like what we do (and I'm not talking about the truly negative things in our society such as violence and general yobbery, bad manners and refusal to watch &lt;i&gt;Doctor Who&lt;/i&gt;) to effin' well eff the effin' 'ell out of it. Gosh, I feel much better for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How else could it be, Barry? I mean, of <i>course</i> we are to blame. Our culture is all wrong, and we should change it, bring in sharia law, make wearing veils mandatory (even for the women), burn gays, smack a few women around (they&#8217;re second-class trash, after all, women, aren&#8217;t they?), forbid depictions of historical figures (and, of course, rage, rage, rage every time one appears, threatening to behead the perpetrator). Oh, there are oodles of things we could do to bring our culture right into the seventh century. On the other hand, we could just tell those who don&#8217;t like what we do (and I&#8217;m not talking about the truly negative things in our society such as violence and general yobbery, bad manners and refusal to watch <i>Doctor Who</i>) to effin&#8217; well eff the effin&#8217; &#8216;ell out of it. Gosh, I feel much better for that.</p>
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