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	<title>Comments on: Catastrophe! Homophobic Christian registrar wins discrimination case</title>
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		<title>By: The Freethinker &#8250; Another bloody cop-out!</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6916</link>
		<dc:creator>The Freethinker &#8250; Another bloody cop-out!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are having a Ladele moment. We call it that because one of their constables – like our Lillian, a Christian zealot whose bigotry prevented her from doing her job properly – is about to lay the &#8220;victim&#8221; card before an employment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are having a Ladele moment. We call it that because one of their constables – like our Lillian, a Christian zealot whose bigotry prevented her from doing her job properly – is about to lay the &#8220;victim&#8221; card before an employment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Kean</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6801</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good thing, that this woman has had her courage and her faith upheld. 
Good on Ms Ladele! 

Debbie Kean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good thing, that this woman has had her courage and her faith upheld.<br />
Good on Ms Ladele! </p>
<p>Debbie Kean</p>
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		<title>By: The Freethinker &#8250; Price and Prejudice</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6800</link>
		<dc:creator>The Freethinker &#8250; Price and Prejudice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Borough of Islington has decided it will appeal against an employment tribunal ruling in favour of Lillian Ladele, a registrar whose Christian beliefs led her to refuse to conduct same-sex civil [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Borough of Islington has decided it will appeal against an employment tribunal ruling in favour of Lillian Ladele, a registrar whose Christian beliefs led her to refuse to conduct same-sex civil [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6679</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, that should be "hear," not "here".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, that should be &#8220;hear,&#8221; not &#8220;here&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6678</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any religion with the audacity to complain about their clergy's "rights" is forgetting the countless minorities they have oppressed since their conception. Their tongues remain, as ever, forked to sharp and bitter tees.

They are also refusing outright to understand what it is to identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, heterosexual, transgender and so on – it is to know one's sexuality, which is a large and inescapable part of the self. 

Why homosexuality singularly fuels so many prejudices is beyond me. I suppose it is like ethnicity, which again is not acquired by choice, but by intangible, uncontrollable factors. What confuses me even more is that those who profess to be ethically pure thanks to their religion a) continue to think like ignorant schoolchildren, and b) think that their gods – if any exist and are worth belief in – will appreciate a life structured around dogma and bigotry more than one driven by one of their few useful proverbs: "know thyself". 

There is no love lost between these hypocrites and human thought, and so it saddens me to here, therefore, that a democratic country's judicial system has ruled in favour of one of said narrow-minded sheeple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any religion with the audacity to complain about their clergy&#8217;s &#8220;rights&#8221; is forgetting the countless minorities they have oppressed since their conception. Their tongues remain, as ever, forked to sharp and bitter tees.</p>
<p>They are also refusing outright to understand what it is to identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, heterosexual, transgender and so on – it is to know one&#8217;s sexuality, which is a large and inescapable part of the self. </p>
<p>Why homosexuality singularly fuels so many prejudices is beyond me. I suppose it is like ethnicity, which again is not acquired by choice, but by intangible, uncontrollable factors. What confuses me even more is that those who profess to be ethically pure thanks to their religion a) continue to think like ignorant schoolchildren, and b) think that their gods – if any exist and are worth belief in – will appreciate a life structured around dogma and bigotry more than one driven by one of their few useful proverbs: &#8220;know thyself&#8221;. </p>
<p>There is no love lost between these hypocrites and human thought, and so it saddens me to here, therefore, that a democratic country&#8217;s judicial system has ruled in favour of one of said narrow-minded sheeple.</p>
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		<title>By: Valdemar</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>Valdemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a spiritualist I feel I am discriminated against by the police force, who refuse to pay me to contact murder victims to find out who killed them. 

Seriously, this is disgrace - religion is being used to justify bigotry against people who should enjoy the same rights as everyone else. And the end result will not be good for religion, as it creates a two-tier society. Ordinary, secular Brits (the vast majority) will be less inclined to involve themselves with overtly religious types for fear that they'll get 'done' for some imagined discrimination. 

So, well done Little Miss Bigot, you've made Christians less popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a spiritualist I feel I am discriminated against by the police force, who refuse to pay me to contact murder victims to find out who killed them. </p>
<p>Seriously, this is disgrace - religion is being used to justify bigotry against people who should enjoy the same rights as everyone else. And the end result will not be good for religion, as it creates a two-tier society. Ordinary, secular Brits (the vast majority) will be less inclined to involve themselves with overtly religious types for fear that they&#8217;ll get &#8216;done&#8217; for some imagined discrimination. </p>
<p>So, well done Little Miss Bigot, you&#8217;ve made Christians less popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Barrett</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6674</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wrongness of this decision is highlighted by considering what would happen if someone said they didn't want to perform same-sex unions because they didn't approve of homosexuality. Not for religious reason; they're just an anti-gay bigot. 

Would their rights be respected? Of course not. They'd be told to put their personal feelings asside and do their job. But because this woman's predudices are religiously motivated, we have to go along with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wrongness of this decision is highlighted by considering what would happen if someone said they didn&#8217;t want to perform same-sex unions because they didn&#8217;t approve of homosexuality. Not for religious reason; they&#8217;re just an anti-gay bigot. </p>
<p>Would their rights be respected? Of course not. They&#8217;d be told to put their personal feelings asside and do their job. But because this woman&#8217;s predudices are religiously motivated, we have to go along with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abbott</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6671</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, next we'll have faith healers claiming they're being discriminated against by the medical establishment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If we really believe in equality before the law, that means respecting people who have sincerely held religious beliefs [...]. The witch hunt against those who disagree with [the power of faith] has to stop.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If your religion restricts your from carrying out the responsibilities demanded by your employment ... find another job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, next we&#8217;ll have faith healers claiming they&#8217;re being discriminated against by the medical establishment.</p>
<blockquote><p>If we really believe in equality before the law, that means respecting people who have sincerely held religious beliefs [...]. The witch hunt against those who disagree with [the power of faith] has to stop.</p></blockquote>
<p>If your religion restricts your from carrying out the responsibilities demanded by your employment &#8230; find another job.</p>
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		<title>By: Pramod Subbaraman</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6670</link>
		<dc:creator>Pramod Subbaraman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody should regard themselves as being above the law, be they religious, atheist, gay or anybody else.

If she was not allowed by law to refuse to marry gay couples, then she committed an offence for which she should have been punished in whatever way reasonable.

Separate state, work and the public sphere from religion will you?

If your religion comes in the way of any work you do you have two choices leave the job or the religion, but stop holding the public to ransom over your delusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody should regard themselves as being above the law, be they religious, atheist, gay or anybody else.</p>
<p>If she was not allowed by law to refuse to marry gay couples, then she committed an offence for which she should have been punished in whatever way reasonable.</p>
<p>Separate state, work and the public sphere from religion will you?</p>
<p>If your religion comes in the way of any work you do you have two choices leave the job or the religion, but stop holding the public to ransom over your delusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rees</title>
		<link>http://freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/11/homophobic-christian-registrar-wins-discrimination-case/comment-page-1/#comment-6668</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Terry Sanderson misses the point. Christianity is a lifestyle choice, whereas being gay (or black) is not. There are lots of things about my lifestyle preferences that make certain jobs not suitable for me (being a vicar, for instance). I'm not about to start sueing the church over it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Terry Sanderson misses the point. Christianity is a lifestyle choice, whereas being gay (or black) is not. There are lots of things about my lifestyle preferences that make certain jobs not suitable for me (being a vicar, for instance). I&#8217;m not about to start sueing the church over it!</p>
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